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and how to scale their ideas and be

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really vulnerable and yet be
really confident at the same time.

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That's like hard to be both confident,

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like I have this vision, I see

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this thing and here's how
we're going to do this.

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To be vulnerable to actually say I
actually need help with these things.

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You don't always see that, either they're

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so confident that you don't
think they're going to be

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a good listener or they're so vulnerable

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that they don't have the
conviction of their own ideas.

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It's like a funny blend between the two.

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